User blog:Berrybrick/What's wrong with Nexo Knights?

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Rant today.

I know what you are thinking. "Why, Berry, do you do this to yourself?"

Because in this day we have a lot of things competing for our attention. And I guess that I just happen to be hard to please. And I make bad choices. Because when I could have been watching something that I actually like, or working on one of my projects that never seem to get done, or getting a good night's sleep (because it was late). I'm not here to pretend that I am smarter or that I have better taste than you or anything, but when something bothers me, I want to know why it bothers me.

And Nexo Knights bothers me.

If you happen to like the show, I am not judging you. If I were, I would say so.

Anyway, per Soupperson's idea, before we get to the show, I am going to take a quick look at the theme itself.

When rumors first started to apparate, they said that it would be a castle theme with steampunk technology. Which sounded cool. What we got is more cyberpunk.

Which is really meh. I'm just not into that stuff. For what they are though, the sets are generally okay. Stingy on the minifigures, but okay. The monsters are actually pretty good. And the hero minifigures aren't bad. The entire theme isn't bad, it's just the setting. It just doesn't capture my imagination. It feels phoned in and lifeless like the G2 BIONICLE. It's not Ninjago where you've got WWII skeleton bikers fighting lightning ninja tornadoes or Elves with all of its crystals and colorful leaves or even Chima with its lush environments and floating mountain and animal architecture. Knights in spaceships just seems to be the sort of thing that anyone could have come up with. And as far as the sets go, it is executed very well. Especially the monster stuff. But it's another ruff and tumble battle machine theme. Couldn't they have done something like medieval-era technology, but had the setting be on some extraterrestrial planet with alien characters and quirks to the design? That wouldn't be too similar to Star Wars, would it? If this were a smaller side-theme like Ultra Agents or Monster Fighters, I wouldn't take issue, but this is supposed to be a big bang like Ninjago and leave an impact on kids.

And I guess I'm just a little disappointed. There's nothing really wrong with it; not the sets anyway. As we'll get to, the show exacerbates these problems. But the theme is okay. It just isn't for me.

And so, I had no interest in the show. But then Cartoon Network went and uploaded the first three episodes to YouTube, so I took a look. And now here is a look at my look.

Our characters are:

  • Clay: The leader. Who has fun by training and planning and getting two hours of sleep and not having fun and stuff. Honestly though, he's probably the most likeable character. At least because he is the only one who calls Lance out.
  • Apparently he is from the country though? Somehow that seems like something that could be interesting--maybe if "the country" means Arcadia and he would be out of it with all of the technology, but neh. They don't do anything with that detail.
  • Lance: The narcissistic one. Everyone feeds his ego because his armor is shiny (yes, really). Not funny. Extremely unlikable.
  • I just might ship him with Clay to bug people though. There are a couple of lines between them that I really want to share because they are just so beautiful out of context, but they are so suggestive that I can't.
  • Macy: The girl who, get this, likes to fight. I know, I can't believe it either. Unless it's her teammates. Then she goes team-mom, but I guess because she inherited her father's backbone, she just tells someone else to do something instead. And if Axl is too busy thinking about food, oh well.
  • Aaron: "Awesome. Like awesome awesome." Not because he is awesome, but because he says "awesome" in every line. Writers seem to forget that he exists half the time, and when they remember, it's because they want to sell how cool everything in this world is.
  • Axl: Food. Because he is big. Get it? The only line I caught which had nothing to do with food was about not liking to read.
  • Jestro: The Not-Joker. He actually seems like he could be an okay character, but most of the time he just has long scenes with lots of unfunny dialogue where the Book of Monsters is telling him what to do.
  • Robin: I think I missed who he and Ava are supposed to be exactly. I don't see the need (especially for both of them), but as far as kid characters go, he's okay. A little annoying, but not Scrappy-Doo.
  • Ava: Every time I hear her speak, all I can think of is Velma Dinkley and oh gosh what is it with the Scooby comparisons? Eh. She's probably my favorite despite that. It's nice to have a kid character that isn't trying too hard to be funny or cute or anything. But again, she's sort of redundant; this cast is too big.
  • Merlok: Trying to be Dumbledore. Is not. So he tries to be Gandalf. Is still not.
  • The Book of Monsters: You know, a sentient scary book that likes to scare people is kind of a fun idea. But we don't really see him as that, more as Jestro's obnoxiously abusive shoulder devil who has to spell out everything for him.
  • King Halbert: Macy's father who doesn't want her to be a knight. Whereas her lack of backbone is a result of bad writing, his is intentional. Basically imagine imagine The Little Mermaid if every exchange between Triton and Ariel went something like "Ariel, I don't really think you should...." "But daddy, please!" "Okay, I guess". Gah, I'm more tired of feminist kings than I ever was of the "wise, old" type.
  • Queen Halbert: Who is competent. And fights in a dress. This is even more shocking than how Macy likes to fight. I don't think my worldview can take it. Prejudices breaking down...bile turning into...rainbows....

And the episodes:

  • The Book of Monsters Pt. 1: My first thought with the robot vendors walking around and the newscasters narrating is a Medieval Times Restaurant 50 years in the future. Great. So we get a sort of sports center introduction to each of the team members because they are graduating to knighthood (which begs the question of where all of the seasoned knights are). Merlok and Jestro perform. Jestro gets embarrassed when he messes things up and the power goes out. The power going out frees an evil book bound in Merlok's library, which Jestro finds and evulz. Merlok sacrifices himself to stop Jestro and save Clay, who is there for some reason.
  • The Book of Monsters Pt. 2: This starts off with a really bad recap contradicting the end of the last episode and, in my opinion, shining a bad light on Clay's character; if they made it a character flaw, I'd be into it, but his flaw seems to be "I was too busy breathing heavy that one time and Jestro got away. It also bothers me how most of the characters mourn Merlok. Clay, fine. Macy, fine. Axl, fine. Lance just goes "Eh, at least Jestro is gone too" which, yeah, he's supposed to be insensitive but he just gets away with so much. The king and queen are worried about who is going to give them advise now, and the news anchor is interested in who is going to provide entertainment for the kingdom in his place. What the heck? Nothing about heroic sacrifice or the joy he brought everyone? They are just worried about what the next big thing will be? If that were some sort of commentary about this world, great, but you know it's not. Ahem. Finished with the first five minutes. Anyway, Clay and Lance can't get along. Jestro turns evil in an underwhelming sequence that came out of nowhere and then attacks the castle. Merlok is revived as a hologram and gives the knights powers to stop Jestro.
  • The Power of Merlok: Lance and Clay are still arguing. Merlok is having some issues with his conversion (don't worry--nothing character related, something about the hologram not functioning properly). Jestro and the Book of Monsters are having more of the same conversations about what it takes to be evil--think less Disney villain song, and more nagging wife in an unhappy marriage with an idiot husband (and then less Simpsons and more something not good) and you've got it. None of these plotlines converge in any interesting way; the characters just sort of end up together because good vs. evil and they needed to work the app game in; they could have some sort of power like "peace talk" or "quiet time away" for Clay and Lance. This episode is extremely toyetic (featuring the debut of the Fortrex--in stores now), but now that Jestro is out there being evil, we learn what is truly at stake with his rise to power: omelettes and Jacuzzis.

Now what do I say about this? Because I kind of want to rant about it. Maybe I'll save that for later. It's not good. It's not bad. It's just okay. But like, offensively okay.

No omelettes for you

The world is genuinely uninspired. Castle imagery, but every joke which isn't about food or narcissism or the king being inept or whatever seems to be a reference to apps and iPhones and modern technology. And it's lame. Because the show has this awful gimmick that at the climax Merlok will upload powers to the knights and the kids at home are supposed to whip out their phone and upload the power to their app. The show is buying into itself. The story sort of brushes against some things which could be legitimately interesting, what with everyone (sort of) freaking out when they lose power, or how after Merlok dies everyone acts like things will be better when something comes along to replace him. But no, it plays all of that straight. Granted, I can't see that working out much better than Chima's drug allegory, but without it, it's pure toyeticism. The stakes are first world luxuries. The characters are cut and paste. If you want to sell toys, go ahead, but it has to be for a story worth selling. And don't get me wrong. The sets are worth selling. It's this world and these characters that are not. I'm not a fan of Ninjago and haven't watched since the first few episodes, but even that had real stakes with Nya being kidnapped and the modern technology (phone lines in the rice paddies, skeletons on oversized motorbikes) were treated as jokes. But this just buys into itself. And I see that as something really sad. When they talk about Jestro destroying omelettes, I don't know if I am supposed to laugh or care (and being neither dramatic nor funny does not help). Like, my job is cleaning omelette pans and even I'm not affected in anyway. "Oh no, I'll be out of the job! How can I buy the Nexo Knights sets?" ;_;

Well, Berry, what did you expect?

BIONICLE. That's my theory for why Ninjago, Chima, and now this keep blending fantastic settings with futuristic technology. You can exist to sell merchandise, but at least try to make sure the merchandise is worth selling. Quality of the sets aside, this is not. Chima never bothered me this way, because even if it was bad, it at least tried to be something a little more. Elves might be saccharine, but did have a character dealing with grief and, even with that to the side, the world is at least immersive, it tries to provide an adventure, and some of the characters are actually multi-dimensional. To be fair, I'm not sure if Ninjago started out as any better than Nexo Knights and if this bothering me more than that ever did has more to do with the app play being intertwined with the story, or even because the Ninjago pilot at least had some memorable moments (whereas this does nothing). but I also don't feel at ease to disregard Ninjago when I have heard it at least has good character development, and I do know that its world isn't phoned in. Just the way that the characters are introduced rubs me the wrong way: Aside from Macy with her (terrible character of a) father and mother, we are told about their character rather than shown because You can collect them all!

Nexo Knights just seems to be full of terrible ideas from the ground up. Every part of it except for maybe Jestro that seems like it could be a potentially interesting facet appears to be by accident. And while it is far from the worst thing ever, I can't justify its existence on any level beyond selling stuff to kids and that business model with the addition of the apps being intertwined really irks me.

But, hey, if you enjoy it don't mind me. :P I'm not here to tell you what to and not to like;

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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

89 months ago
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I just watched an episdoe from the third season; pretty much the same problems. It started off seeming like it was going to be a little more interesting, with the Lava Monsters from last year founding a village and deciding to live peacefully, but at the end they revert to violence "because they are monsters and can't help it." That's a pretty awful note to end on. There were a couple of moments which were sort of funny (plus points for a Monty Python reference, but multiply by -2 if I heard right and they used the same reference again 30 seconds later), but they tended to be more in concept than execution. The show still has too many characters and doesn't adequetly focus on any of the heroes (even when one of them seems to be dying), Lance is just as vapid as ever, and the plot and dialogue are both still weakly structured to advertise the app game and merchandise. Destroying the monster village means there are real stakes at least once, I guess.

I also watched my first episode of Ninjago since the pilot. It was just a series of shorts strung together, so it wasn't a "real" episode, but I can see why people would like it. I don't have the same issues as with Nexo Knights.

Also, I'm really sad with myself for forgetting what those Clance lines were. I thought I put links on Soup's talkpage but I can't find them. Oh well. :P
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NovaHawkLegendary Brickipedian

89 months ago
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The show's still going? I gave up a bit over halfway in to season 2- I only lasted that long because I figured we should have some articles here on them with at least an appearances list. But the show is sooooo baaaaaaddd. The only remotely amusing things during season 2 were the references to other shows/movies, and most of the time the joke was either badly done or just dragged on throughout the episode for so long that the whole episode just got boring.

Honestly I just wish they'd pull the show and focus on the sets (which still look quite good to me). I don't know why they think every single original theme they come up with these days has to be surrounded by other media. Let kids use their imagination and give minifigures their own character once in a while. In the case of Nexo Knights, they'd be much better off.
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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

89 months ago
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Not much. Clay was turning to stone, Monstrox now seems to be Jestro's henchman, and Robin isn't around so it looks like he struck out on his own but otherwise it's pretty much exactly the same.

Totally agree. I get that the show provides a marketing boost, but I miss smaller action themes like Monster Fighters and Power Miners. We haven't had one of those since Ultra Agents ended a few years ago. :/ And now we have people going, "Wait, how can there be a cat in the Ninjago movie if LEGO isn't going to release it? The whole point of the sets is to recreate the movie."

These are dark and dangerous times we live in. :P
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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

88 months ago
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(I read "The show's still going?" as "What's going on in the show?" Sorry. :P )
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NovaHawkLegendary Brickipedian

100 months ago
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Yep, completely agree with what you're saying. The sets aren't bad, but for some reason Ninjago made me want to go out and buy all the sets, Nexo Knights doesn't- I have a couple of the Ultimates and that's it (if I had more money I'd get a few sets but probably wouldn't bother with all of them). The only set that seems kind of inventive to be is The Fortrex- a medieval fort on wheels seems pretty cool to me.

I don't mind the Nexo Powers in the show, simply because it's like a bad version of the Sailor Moon transforming sequence which I find kinda funny for some reason, but yes relying on those powers all the time is stupid- they're meant to be properly trained knights and yet they can't do anything without these powers. The characters though are extremely one-dimensional and boring, the only exceptions being Ava and Robin. Since I seem to be the only one who's seen all ten episodes, I can confirm that the characters don't really get any better over time (Ava and Robin get better, but they were already ok to start with. @Berry: they're both first-years at the knight academy place, I can't remember why they went with the other knights though.) Actually Aaron isn't too bad but I don't see any real depth to him, he probably just doesn't talk as much as the others. Axl likes food. I get it. Macy doesn't want to be a stereotypical girl/princess. Haven't heard that story before. Lance is what Macy doesn't want to be. Clay is responsible. Those first four Ninjago episodes were terrible in a lot of ways, but they were 4x10 minute episodes, and although the second season wasn't amazing, it was enough to make me want to keep watching and the characters were all interesting enough even though they did start out as clichés like NK. With 10x22 minute episodes, NK has no excuse for not developing their main characters at least a little bit.
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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

100 months ago
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It's not that the story has to be deep, but it lacks any sort of self-awareness. Like they don't care that they are buying into cultural trends that have got people worrying, or even that the show just plain isn't interesting. But I'm not going to blame them for not fixing the world, that would be silly. "Really, really boring" is right. That Lance/Clay dynamic that they introduce in the first episode doesn't change at all by the end of episode three. Macy's relationship with her father sort of comes up again in episode three, but nothing is done with it. Jestro and the book are doing the exact same thing, Axl and Aaron making the same bad jokes.... It's almost like it is teasing character development and an overarching story, but it's just so stagnant.

I'm glad that the writers are at least enjoying it. And if other people do, I guess that's fine, but it'll probably go down as worse than Chima in my book. I don't know. I guess it's just the response I get when I see people calling Ninjago one of the best cartoons of all time multiplied by the pain I feel when I think about all that Chima that went to waste plus any bitterness left over from BIONICLE and squared by jealousy for Elves.... Poor Nexo Knights. :P

I still mean to look at some later Ninjago episodes sometime. :P
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Soupperson1Legendary Brickipedian

100 months ago
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I agree with you on the majority of these thoughts.

Eh the sets are generally pretty okay, not exactly bad but never great either. Some of the vehicles look kind of off, but there's generally enough good aspects to keep them from being bad sets. I would say the exception is Jestro's castle, which is really fun and well designed. I don't think minifigures are that scare, but maybe I'm delusional from all the (lack of) mini-doll sets. The fact Axl's armour couldn't remove was really disappointing though.

As for the show, I only watched the first episode and I have no interest in finishing it. I agree with your character breakdowns, except for Clay as I don't remember him doing anything in the first episode. :P Macy wanting to fight?! Next your going to tell me women have the right to vote! :P Scrappy actually become likeable post the first show he appeared in. He was toned down a lot and became more willing then feisty. You should watch a new Scooby Doo mysteries episode to see for yourself sometime, they're like 10 minutes long. :P Oh on a side note do LEGO get the most obnoxious voice casts for all their shows, I mean with this, Elves and Chima...over act much? :P

I'm not sure if Ninjago is supposed to be a good show, or is it just a "okay for a cash cow show" type of thing. I haven't watched in ages so I wouldn't know. I'm not sure if a LEGO theme can really work as a show, particularly a Big Bang one as it has to shove like 30 sets down our throats. I'd really like to see more DTVs though, Elves would probably work better in that format as it would have a budget.

On a side note in relation to shows it p's me off when Friends of all themes try to give us villains. I mean why? The show doesn't even revolve around the sets half the time, why do you even need to make an episode if you don't have an idea?! This years villains are practically ridiculous, a fat mayor, a henchman and a rich girl. Ahh? At least Lacy was just a bit of a "female dog" to Mia in the first episode, she wasn't trying to poison her drink or anything to make her lose. What's worse is I actually really like the episodes without villains, as it's refreshing to see a show about friendship and how deep it lies. The best conflicts the show has had were between the girls (boy problems! at least they can't fight over him in the sets. :P) why do we need cheesy villains to bring their non stakes conflicts into the mix?

It'll be interesting to see what will get Ninjago's show timing next year, there doesn't seem to be a new BB theme that isn't a movie. *Gasp* A CITY show?! :P
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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

100 months ago
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I think they can work. My Little Pony (of all things) does. And then you've got Star Wars which started out with a good story and became a humongous cash cow. And then there are cartoons like Young Justice and Green Lantern: The Animated Series which also existed to sell toys and had really good stories and characters, but were canned when they didn't make the sales. So I don't see why LEGO can't do it at the height of their popularity. But even if something were fun and stupid, that would be okay, as long as it were actually fun and stupid (like Barbie: Life in the Dreamhouse which I may have seen a few episodes of >_> ). But Chima was weird and this is boring.

I don't know what standard Ninjago is held to, but there are a couple of times where I've seen it praised for its animation, voice acting, all of that. A few people I've come across have called it the best cartoon ever, and okay to each their own, but I've seen plenty better than it. \_O_/ As far as cash cow shows go though, I wouldn't have trouble believing that it is good by those standards. And it is good by LEGO standards, but when it's competition is this, Chima, and the specials Hero Factory and Friends get...not so impressive. :P

Elves is okay for what it is. And it gave us Ragana. :3 You're right that it could be really good if it had a budget; though I think that is true of a lot of these story themes. Except maybe "love" instead of a budget. Or something. \_O_/ Unite the magic.

Jestro's castle is the obvious standout.
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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

100 months ago
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A quick clarification because I don't want to muddle the blog anymore with these little asides, but Nexo Knights isn't technically Cyberpunk. Cyberpunk includes a deconstruction of these sorts of environments; it would be Cyberpunk if it were more like what I as suggesting with people more being worried about how Merlok is going to be replaced than Merlok the person being used as commentary for the culture of newness and whatever. But no, because new is better, this is Post-Cyberpunk, which says "Hey, maybe this stuff isn't so bad. We can sell toys at least."

Small deal, really (especially because genre is kind of arbitrary), which is why I didn't want to include it in the blog proper, but it's the difference between Romanticism and the Enlightenment. Basically, Cyber Punk is a Romantic genre and Post-Cyber Punk is an Enlightenment one. This chooses Enlightenment because selling stuff. And it becomes really shallow. That's the TL;DR of this whole blog right there. And while I have plenty of big problems with Romanticism if taken plain, as a Romantic at heart, this is gross. :P
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BerrybrickLegendary Brickipedian

100 months ago
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...And I just found an even better term. Cyber Prep.

I should probably make some corrections about Post-Cyberpunk above now that I've got a third term to throw around, but meh. I'll send a handwritten apology.

No more of these for now.