Forum:Move/Archive
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Last time, at Forum:Possible move, we decided some stuff about moving. This forum is to decide whether they still apply.
~ CJC 17:45, February 4, 2013 (UTC) The key thing really to decide is this: Do we (not just us admins, but everyone) want to move? Just post your general thoughts on moving below:
me is likin tis!!1!!!!!!1 if u al go awaie i can be da bigf cat!!1!!1!!!!!1 --I L0ve MeGA bLoKs11!!!11!!!1 (talk) 21:28, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
From Wikia[edit source](sorry if this is a bad place - I wanted to comment, but obviously I'm not someone who can vote here :) Hi everyone. For those who saw the discussion last time, this is a bit of a repeat from me. But it's really the same things I need to say - that we very much hope you will decide to stay, but that we respect your right to fork, of course. I'm here to answer any questions or help in any other way I can. I think the first point I can comment on, is Cligra's comment about whether a fork would retain readers from Wikia. Our past experience shows that some readers will find the new wiki, but it's likely that more will not. We've had several wikis recover well from a fork now, with a new community growing where the previous one was. Where that's happened (and even sometimes where it hasn't) there are many more visitors and pageviews on the Wikia version than on the fork. I can give some examples of this if it's helpful, just let me know. That's not to say that forks don't hurt a wiki of course. They are always painful things for any community to go though, and I hope we can avoid one here -- sannse
The whole +/- thing again[edit source]+[edit source]
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On chat[edit source]BrickfilmNut, on this reversion... yes, it does change the meaning a fair amount, because the current meaning is misleading. The chat here will not be available as an extension of the new wiki. If the fork goes ahead, the chat here will belong to this wiki's community - which will be made up of anyone who chooses to stay and/or any future community that develops. I won't revert your reversion, but perhaps you could correct it above? Thanks -- sannse
I'm definitely not saying that people who use the new wiki will be banned from chat. I'm saying that it's not as simple as saying "we'll edit over there, and chat over here". You can't use Wikia to promote another wiki - so, for example, if people in the chat were linking people to the fork, then that would be a problem. And, ultimately, the chat would belong to whatever community is active on this wiki. So those people would be the ones to decide who used chat and in what way (as long as it's within Wikia's overall ToU and so on, of course) It would be a complex situation, and not one that we've ever had to look at before. The tricky part is that sometimes people use chat and don't edit - and that's fine (on most wikis). But at the same time, it's a chat for this wiki, and making it some sort of official chat for the fork wouldn't be OK. How exactly those two things would work out in practice, I don't know yet. -- sannse
Possible solution[edit source]Since Brickipedia is large enough you could request Wikia to let you control your own advertisments. The only way they would allow you to do so if you use the money off the advertisements to pay for a site domain which. This is how it works,Brickipedia's Admins inform Wikia of their plan on buying a site domain. After accepting their terms of having a site domain (which will likely include how much a year you must pay and how to get your advertisers to pay to Wikia or pay it to Brickipedia). Once they have done this Brickipedia can have control over their advertisements. Brickipedia may want to limit their ads as much as possible , but the best way to do this is by charging the full price of about 10 dollars for a short term advertisement that may be apriopate. -13 users[edit source]
Another version of the +/- question[edit source]Or at least, and extension of the "againsts"... There's been a lot of voting already, and I can see that many people are in favor of forking. I'm also aware that Aj and the others who are getting prepared for this are likely to be a long way towards being ready, and that the fork may happen soon. So I'd like to have another try at persuading you all that Wikia is the best home for this wiki. Although I believe the wiki can survive a fork, I also know that this is a good and strong community who have made a wonderful wiki. So we would be very sad to see any of you move to a new fork. I think the major issue I've seen mentioned is the ads. It's always tricky to get the right balance of ads - we don't want to scare people away, of course, but we do need enough to make Wikia successful. It's something we look at often, and we're currently running several tests to evaluate things like “if we remove this particular ad placement, will people view more pages?”. And there's a lot more work on improving our ads that's scheduled for this year too. But, I also know all that is going to sound rather empty. It's all about possibilities and the future, and not about what the wiki looks like now. So what I want to suggest is that we remove a couple of ad placements for this wiki for a set time, to give us a chance to show you that we can (and will) keep improving on the overall experience on all aspects of Wikia. So the question is, which ads would you most want removed? Hopefully we can identify a group that annoys you most, and that we can agree to remove. Will you work on this with us? I said I would expand on the "againsts", and I think the biggest one is that you are almost certain to lose traffic by moving. Looking at past forks shows this pattern well. Here's some data I pulled up for another wiki when they were considering forking (they decided not to). So for example, the forked version of Fallout currently receives just under 600,000 pageviews a month. The version on Wikia has fully recovered its community, and has more than 26 million pageviews a month. For WoWiki, the numbers are around 5 million monthly for the fork, and 20 million monthly for the Wikia wiki. And for the Pokemon wikis, it's about 370,000 pageviews for the fork, and more than 26 million pageviews for the version on Wikia. I know that you are expecting links from other LEGO communities to help bring in visitors, but even with that you should expect to leave a significant part of your audience behind. I realize that it can seem somewhat restricting to be part of a big hosted site, and there's an attraction to being out on your own with all the controls in hand. But I also know that being part of a big site also brings advantages. You get new features like chat, you get an amazing amount of technical and other know-how, you have multiple servers and systems that keep your content fast, you have publicity and events that help build everyone on Wikia's profile and bring in new people to your wiki, and groups like the VSTF to help maintain wiki alongside their admins. So, I hope you will reconsider and stay with us here. This wiki has a great future, and it would be great if this community, who has done so much to get the wiki this far, would be around to see it. -- sannse
Sub Wikis[edit source]I don't know if it's worth starting a whole section over, but will the sub-wikis be moved away from Wikia as well? Or only a select few? User:ErkelonJay/sig
Public service announcement[edit source]People need to be reasonable and civil when discussing stuff here and in the sub-forums. I'm not saying people are being unreasonable/uncivil. Obviously people have different reasons for wanting to move. Some people just hate Wikia and adverts and all that stuff. Others have other reasons (Trying something new after 5 years here, etc.). Sannse has her reasons for arguing her points too - She believes Wikia is better and also its her job. Both sides have perfectly valid arguments. Everyone here believes what they believe because they think it will be best for the site, themselves and the community. Sannse is never going to say "Actually you guys should move, Wikia sucks". And people who hate Wikia is never going to go "that idea sounds great, lets stay here". But that does not permit people to be rude to Sannse and people wanting to stay, and vice versa. So, basicly, just remember that everyone here are people and will feelings and emotions, etc. ~ CJC 13:22, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Forking Guidelines from Wikia[edit source]While I still hope that some or all of you will decide to stay at Wikia, it seems a good time to make sure the forking guidelines are on the wiki, and that everyone understands what is and isn't OK during a fork. The main principle in these guidelines, is that we accept your right to fork, but that this wiki has a right to a future too. So nothing done on this wiki can be damaging to its future. Our experience is that if we don't set things out clearly (or even bluntly) then it becomes more likely that there will be misunderstandings, or increasing conflict. So here are the guidelines for forking wikis:
This doesn't cover all possibilities of course, so I'd would like to discuss anything not covered by these guidelines in advance. But this gives the outline for fork notices and covers the most common areas One of the biggest problems during a fork is in conflicts of interest. We sometimes see suggestions of changes to the Wikia wiki, that seem relatively harmless, but which are actually designed to benefit the fork. Often we don't know if they will be harmful to this wiki, but the fact that they are not truly made for this wiki, makes them worrying. For this reason we ask that any major changes are delayed until after fork. Another concern is admins who move to a new fork, but also try to influence the direction of the wiki they have left. Our normal practice is that we don't remove rights from departing admins, unless they try to harm the wiki or use it to promote their own. But, in my experience, there is no real way for an admin to look after two competing wikis without a conflict of interest. If you are trying to grow the fork, and do everything to make it a success, then you won't be also trying to get people to stay on the Wikia version and revitalize it with new users and new content. This wiki needs admins who can be fully dedicated to growing this wiki. Hopefully some admins will choose to stay on Wikia, rather than move to the fork, but if not we can help the remaining/future community choose new admins. This has been quite a long message, but I hope it will help ensure everything goes smoothly and without conflict. Thanks for reading -- sannse
That Games Wiki[edit source]At NBS' prodding I will try and revive the Brickipedia Games Wiki once we move but since the reason it died before was due to the slow response time and such, I think we will need a larger panel of game masters to keep a game running. It might not sound very enticing to those who were actually interested in the games, but I am working on a system where gamemasters can play alongside others. Berrybrick 18:11, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Fan fictions on the customs namespace/wiki?[edit source]This could probably be its own forum, but I was thinking that when we had a separate wiki for customs we could start including fan fictions as part of it as long as they are based on an official or custom theme? I think it might be a good way to increase the LEGO fan site image. Berrybrick 00:47, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
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Accounts[edit source]I thought you said we would keep our old accounts! I tried logging in on the new site, and it said I wasn't a registered user... are the accounts not set up yet? BrikkyyTalk
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