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==Stop treating DC and Marvel as subthemes?==
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* Just wondering people think about not having DC Comics and Marvel as subthemes of Super Heroes, and instead rename the pages "DC Comics Super Heroes" and "Marvel Super Heores". To me they're more like parallel themes as they don't really share any of the same characters, universe, etc so it doesn't make sense to have them under the same theme :S {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 06:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
** I understand your thinking behind this but I'm having a hard time figuring if it's the best route to take or not. Neutral for now. --[[User:ToaMeiko|ToaMeiko]] ([[User talk:ToaMeiko|talk]]) 16:52, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
**I believe it was only listed as one theme when it was introduced at NYCC, I agree they should be seperated now as they haven't been grouped together since.. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
 
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#{{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 06:47, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
# *shrug* - in some places they already are it seems. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 23:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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===Enacting===
This needs to be enacted. When we have enacted it, please note it here so we can archive this. If there are any issues with implementing this, then discuss below. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 00:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
* Infobox colours changed, Marvel moved to [[Marvel Super Heroes]], DC Comics moved to [[DC Comics Super Heroes]]. The only problem is what to do with [[Super Heroes]]- I was going to turn it into a disambig page, but then I saw it's an FA and would feel bad doing that {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 01:58, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
** The content seems mostly split into theme sections, so we can not take the DC stuff, move it there, Marvel stuff, move it there and make them both FAs, then leave any other stuff on the Super Heroes page / make it a redirect. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 12:51, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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== (Re-)Enabling Gifts (and more!) ==
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The [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile extension]], which provides avatars, [[User:Jack Phoenix|structured social user profile pages]] and more, contains some features which are [[github:470|not (yet) enabled on Brickipedia]]. These features include '''system gifts, or awards''', which are automatically handed out by the wiki software after a user reaches certain thresholds, which administrators can configure; such as having 5 friends or having made 50 (mainspace) edits, and so on.<br />Then there are '''gifts''', ordinary user-to-user gifts which users can give out to each other after administrators have set up some gifts.
 
'''Friends''' and '''foes''' are pretty self-explanatory, and to a degree, this "feature" ''does'' exist, but many references to it have been "hacked out" or explicitly toggled off; as such, the amount of friends (and/or foes) isn't prominently shown in the User Interface of the site. Some special pages, like [{{fullurl:Special:TopFansByStatistic|stat=friends_count}} Special:TopFansByStatistic], expose the amount (but not the "who's whose friend" relations normally shown on profile pages) of friends, for example. [[Special:Editcount|And edit count, on the other hand, has been public info for a long time.]]
 
Finally there's the [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile/Screenshots#User Board|User Board]] and the related [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile/Screenshots#Board Blast|Board Blast]] feature. User Boards are visible on users' profiles and they allow users to easily post a message — even a private message — to each other, without having to go to the user's talk page. Board Blast allows to send a user board message to multiple recipients at once.
 
In the bug ticket linked to earlier on, [[User:ToaMeiko|ToaMeiko]] noted his concern about the possible abuse of these tools (specifically the gifting feature) as well as the extra burden of work these tools can create for administrators. I don't share this concern nor the conclusions. Why? Because with ''everything'', especially so on a ''wiki'', things ''can'' and ''will'' be abused by malicious people. That's life. But just because someone decides to vandalize the [[LEGO]] page doesn't mean we put the wiki in full lock-down mode. Likewise, I believe that gifts and other such features mentioned above can be used to promote positive user interaction and engagement, and as such, these tools should be available to our users. If someone abuses them, we will simply ensure that the user in question can't do that anymore.
 
It is, of course, up to the community to decide how to use these and what policies, if any, govern their usage. But again, we assume a lot of things already and give our users some leeway — there are no ''technical'' restrictions on making 50 consecutive, single-character edits in order to bump up one's edit count; there are ''social'' limitations which, directly or indirectly, imply that such behavior is neither desired nor tolerated.<br />Jimbo Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, might be a controversial person with controversial opinions, but I think that his [https://web.archive.org/web/20080129145752/http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Datrio steak knife analogy] is quite fitting for this situation.
 
'''tl,dr:''' Let's re-enable a bunch of features (gifts, awards, user boards, friends & foes) present in [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]] by default. Who's with me? --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 21:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 
=== Support ===
# Obviously. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 21:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
# [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 21:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
# [[User:Codynguyen1116|Codynguyen1116]] ([[User talk:Codynguyen1116|talk]]) 21:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
# Like Meiko, I'm against having foes enabled though {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 22:36, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
# Sure, like Nova and Meiko I'm not sure about the benefits of foes, but the rest sounds great. Getting those badges on wiki was a popular feature, so I'm sure gifts will be too. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
# But not foes! [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] <small>([[User talk:Ajraddatz|talk]])</small> 18:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 
=== Oppose ===
# Weak oppose per my comment but won't prevent this from being passed if I'm the only opposition. --[[User:ToaMeiko|ToaMeiko]] ([[User talk:ToaMeiko|talk]]) 04:09, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 
=== Discussion ===
* My 2 cents: Friends - We can have these but I don't see any fundamental reason why. The way I see it, our community is so tight knit, everyone would be friends with each other... We're not a social network and I don't think there's ever anyone here who doesn't know every other active user. We have no need for foes and even back when we had friends, we didn't have foes. I don't think foes is a constructive feature. I don't like UserBoard either. Everything it's good for can be done on talk pages or in email. Having two places where you leave messages for other users confuses people and many people never know when to set it to private or public (e.g. when it's used for contests and they're asked to set it to private, hardly anyone does that). There's also no notifications for new Board messages, except for in automated emails which [[github:300|get flagged as spam]]. Gifts I don't see a need for either, but awards maybe. However, that requires an admin set them up and keep them "fresh", which requires time out of admins' already-busy workload. We had a ton of badges at Wikia and transferring that over to here will be nothing but a nightmare and frustration that will take time away from doing more essential things around here our admins are tasked with. IMO the current social features we have are enough. --[[User:ToaMeiko|ToaMeiko]] ([[User talk:ToaMeiko|talk]]) 04:09, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
** Everybody should be friends with each other, indeed, yet things like Facebook are amazingly popular nevertheless. :) Humans are social beings, and we cannot blindly stare at statistics and such. For example, one could argue that [[Special:Chat|MediaWikiChat]] is a mere social addition to the wiki and is not relevant since it doesn't directly increase the amount of (quality) edits. That would be true. And likely the same would also be true for friend (and/or foe) lists. But people like having those things around as they improve the wiki's atmosphere and bring editors together. So why not?<br /><br />Regarding foes: you wouldn't be the first person to suggest that it's an unneeded/unwanted feature, and I understand that it might be controversial. To understand this feature, you need to understand some of the underlying history. [[mw:Social tools|Social tools]] were first developed at ArmchairGM, which was (well, technically "is", but...) a sports wiki. The developers, as well as pretty much all users were American. Needless to say, some people on the wiki had strong opinions about certain sports-related things, which differed from other people's views. This is, to my understanding, how the foes feature came to be. Furthermore, the feature is also related to the [[mw:Extension:Challenge|Challenge extension]], which, as the name suggests, allowed challenging other users. Although I don't know how it was used in practise, but the theoretical goal was to fuel wiki growth and quality edits ''via foeships'' &mdash; people who were foes would challenge each other and the loser would need to edit a certain wiki page or somesuch. All this being said, though, personally I feel that people are somehow (too) intimidated by the name "foes" &mdash; it has been around for a long time, much like social tools in general, and I have yet to see people abuse it in some way.<br />UserBoard is another attempt at solving the ages-old problem with talk pages &mdash; or in this case, as the name suggests, the problem with ''user'' talk pages. Talk pages are like a blank sheet of paper, and depending on who you are and what your background with computers and/or wikis in general is, this may or may not be a good thing. Because users are the heart and the soul of essentially ''any'' wiki out there, lowering the barrier to entry is important. Having a more structured mechanism (UserBoard) might prove to be useful to some newer users, because a blank sheet of paper (normal wiki talk pages) ''can'' be confusing. That being said, it's not a this-or-that choice, if and when both exist; people can choose whichever option they prefer.<br /><br />Regarding notifications: that's not ''totally'' correct. There ''are'' notifications, but &mdash; once again due to historical reasons &mdash; they're not as obvious as you'd think. Many wikis with SocialProfile have the [[mw:Extension:UserWelcome|UserWelcome extension]] (actually bundled with SocialProfile for years) and the [[mw:Extension:WikiTextLoggedInOut|WikiTextLoggedInOut extension]] installed, which allows them to have something like <code>&lt;loggedin&gt;&lt;welcomeUser &gt;&lt;/loggedout&gt;</code> on the [[Main Page]], which then shows the user's personal social info to them if they're logged in. Needless to say, this is quite archaic when you take into account the fact that [[mw:Notifications|Echo]] has been a thing for a few years now. You'll be pleased to know I've submitted [[gerrit:278868|an experimental, definitely-nowhere-near-ready-for-production changeset]] to address [[phab:T64520]] to bring Echo support to SocialProfile. I believe we can get it finished in a reasonable time. Testers & developers welcome! ;-)<br />The "emails get flagged as spam", which is largely a separate issue, is likely an issue with the big email providers like Google &mdash; their automated algorithms mark MW emails as spam for a variety of reasons (which we can't know for sure) and contacting them about this is hard, if not outright impossible. One possible reason could be that since most installations don't bother customizing these emails and there are a ''lot'' of MW wikis out there, Google sees a lot of really similar emails and thinks "well, the difference is only a few characters (username/IP/site name/site URL), but since it matches a certain pattern, it's probably spam". So one possible workaround could be to customize the emails, but I realize it can be hard to do and it doesn't really scale (because of i18n, for example).<br />I'm not sure ''why'' awards would need to be kept "fresh" &mdash; they're largely (IMO) a "set up once and forget about it" thing. Setting them up initially will take a few minutes, but I'll be more than glad to do that once we have a consensus on them (names/thresholds/images). --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 12:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 
===Implementation===
So, this clearly passed. Which means someone has to do it - I know that everyone here prefers endlessly discussing things to doing them, but we should probably enact some of them occasionally. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
*Sorry, I don't know what the configuratory variables for Gift, also I'm pretty sure our SocialProfile extension is heavily coded with hacks and customized (or maybe it's not anymore) so I don't know if those databases for <code>gift</code>, <code>system_gift</code>, <code>user_gift</code> and <code>user_system_gift</code> are still existing or not. If they're not, someone smarter than me who has backend access and ''knows'' how to use the backend (because I sure as hell don't, unfortunately :P). {{Ping|Jack Phoenix}}, do you know how to enable it? I don't see it anywhere on the MediaWiki documentation, hmm.. [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 06:43, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
**{{ping|SamanthaNguyen}} Thanks for the ping! So I took a look at this &mdash; the appropriate database tables are still present in this wiki's database (and on every other wiki's, it would seem, which is nice). I commented out the two lines which disabled [[Special:GiveGift]] and the [[Special:ViewGifts]] special pages and added a few lines (right below 'em) which enable more statistics on the social user profile pages.<br />We're no longer using a hacked version of SocialProfile, thankfully. Should we ever need to make changes to the core functionality of SocialProfile, I'd much rather prefer we do it with hooks and whatnot &mdash; so that the end result is somewhat more maintainable than a bunch of hacks ''and'' so that it doesn't prevent us from upgrading SocialProfile (speaking of which, I think the version we're currently using is at least slightly outdated; somewhat relatedly, we'd really need to finish [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278868/ the Echo patch] and have it merged & deployed, I think it'd enhance the user experience on Brickipedia quite nicely). Since I'm the maintainer and main contributor to SocialProfile these days, I'm more than open to discussion and making patches to support Brickipedia. :)<br />Because we're doing some "unsupported" things &mdash; the whole "avatars, etc. are global" stuff &mdash; there is at least one bug I've been able to spot so far: I have two friends on this wiki, and they're now displayed (correctly) on my profile. But since user relationship data is also shared, these friends show up on my profile page on other wikis (e.g. Meta, GBC), but the count is incorrect (it should show "2 of 2" on other wikis, but instead it shows "0 of 0"); likewise, [[Special:ViewRelationships]] also claims that I have 0 friends (on other wikis). We'll need to file a ticket and look into this; feel free to do that, Samantha, if I don't get to it first. There are probably other things that need to be configured, so ping me if and when you stumble upon those. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 10:04, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
***It works for me. Currently there is one gift, which is a gold brick. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 11:35, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
* We do have one problem I've found- you can't assign images to gifts. I'm guessing this is because uploading is disabled on en {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:43, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
** It was working for me. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 21:10, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
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==Widening scope of TV show pages==
When this is done/added to MoS, please archive this. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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*Anyone who supported this want to do it? :P [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== LEGO set offer requests ==
 
We used to handle this on Admin, but since that's been abolished, where do we want to do it now? Someplace like Forums where we discuss it or something sort of like FA and BotM where it gets its own page where we can vote or discuss? I would almost suggest giving something to BoTM or people who have otherwise done a lot of good stuff, but someone would have to pay for shipping. Moreover, do admins get first dibs, at least so we can set stuff aside for special occasions without requests taking up everything? Where can we find an easy access list of available sets? Tthat might be a small detraction to having it here. A policy should probably be drawn up. Any other things we ought to discuss? (And, in case it is relevant, this is what we've currently got: Brick Bank, Assault on Hoth, Classic Batcave, Ghostbusters HQ, Burj Khalifa, Venice, Minifigures Series 15, Disney Minifigures; Meiko is holding onto them right now, so I don't ''think'' we are in danger of losing them, but LEGO probably wants to see us using them.) Thank you many grazis. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 02:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:Pardon for doing this as an anon. I think it would be nice to, at least as a ''start'', have the exact same pages/system as we had on the admin wiki. Including that helpful table of what has currently been purchased, and what resources are left. Maybe an added column on what the set's current state is too (for example, "In Meiko's temporary possession"), because I can't remember if we had that before. For BotM, I always thought that the honour/template was enough of a rush. :P It would be nice to give them something small, like a CMF, but I believe the last time that was discussed, it was decided that the shipping costs to do that were ridiculous? It would be great if there was something digital we could give away... In response to LEGO wanting to see us using the sets, and regarding how late it is to review some them, any ideas on other stuff we could do with them, something that might be creative or get us some press? Nothing immediately comes to mind (I'll update this if something does later), but you guys may have ideas. [[Special:Contributions/108.173.7.175|108.173.7.175]] 16:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::We don't have a budget anymore, but LEGO offers us certain sets, which is why Meiko has them. If I remember correctly, we can still ask for sets that they haven't offered, but I don't think it would be good practice to do that when we haven't used the ones they have given us well. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 17:17, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Agreed with everything else though. :P Except for maybe that it is too late to review them; Meiko's reviews have been "late" before, but still brought in a good amount of views. The only one I think might be absolutely too late to review is Series 15. Maybe if we had representation at BrickFair or something (which I don't know if Meiko is still interested in doing) we could just hand them out? [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 02:21, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
::::If I got a free minifigure I wouldn't necessarily check to see the website of the person who gave it to me. :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
:::::No, but it is better to do something with them than nothing at all. That isn't to say that there are no better ideas, however. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 15:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
*Meiko got [https://www.harrellsecurities.com/owncloud/s/1mUmv1psYMC7Bu4#pdfviewer this email] sometime recently. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 00:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
* Sorry, don't have input on this one really - Not a good review writer (or writer in general), and also I don't know how it was like on Admin originally. If we legitimately don't have a budget anymore than that means it being a lot more conservative and wise with how we use them, whether if we build it and write a review or use it for a contest and if we can manage contests well and how well we can make a contest. Basically overall, no ideas, sorry :( I'll try to keep up with some if I can though! [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 06:19, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 
*Is [[Brickipedia:Forum/Set giveaway requests|this]] okay? Because if not, please say something before I Tweet it. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 04:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:* I would try to make it more clear that shipping is paid by the reviewer/contest host, right now it's just tacked on at the bottom. Also, if Meiko is up for it, listing weights of the sets? I think that a limitation rule should be implemented as well, e.g. "If you have received a set in the past 6 months you may not receive another." Other than that, looks good to me. {{User:Brikkyy13/sig1}} 07:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
::*Thanks. I'll find the weights on Brickset or Bricklink, and I'll work on making the shipping part more obvious. I'm not too worried about expressly limiting people. If it seems like they are asking for too many sets, I think that is a valid oppose. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 14:58, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== Descriptive Videos on Set Articles ==
 
Sorry for doing a second posting as an anon, but a thought popped in my head during the discussion of "what to do with sets"/"what could the wiki use", and I wanted to post it before I forget. You know how in Descriptions, when talking about a function like "applying pressure to the two joints at the side will cause the gears to move, which moves up the wings and creates...", might it be helpful to have little clips of these features in action, to act as a bit of a visual aid? It's something that would set us apart from other sites (& Brickia), something that is genuinely useful (you don't have to hunt down a review, skim through the whole thing to find the clip, etc.), something that adds clarity when the descriptions are too complex to explain with few words, etc. Most of us, I imagine, have the capacitiy to record and upload short clips. And for sets that none of us own, maybe we can get permission from people like LEGOJANG to download, cut out (maybe mute talking), and upload these tiny portions from their video reviews? Ooh, actually, contrary to the idea of muting, it would actually be great to get and post some audio from sound bricks that LEGO has included in their sets. Anyway, hope that this idea seems helpful, and do-able. Let me know your thoughts. [[Special:Contributions/108.173.7.175|108.173.7.175]] 16:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
*Though I am skeptical that anyone would ever do anything (me included :P ) a large '''''YES'''''. One question though, if two sets have an identical feature (I'm thinking the turntable waists on this year's Toa) would a video that showed how the function worked using a Tahu set be acceptable on Gali's article? [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 17:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
** The "skeptical anyone would do anything" was an issue, I realize. However, everyone has a smartphone, I assume, so a quick vid isn't a huge investment like, say, a review. When I get back, I'd definitely be happy to work on this. As for the identical features thing, yes, I think that would work, so long as a note/caption is included explaining they are identical. [[Special:Contributions/108.173.7.175|108.173.7.175]] 17:40, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
*** I don't have a smartphone. :D I do have a camera though, so I guess that doesn't relieve me. :P I would like to see some guidelines on this though, such as what the audio should be (muted with no background noise or obnoxious music, please). [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 17:47, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
**** I wouldn't say muting is always necessary, since some might count the "clicks" and stuff as part of the experience. But yeah, definitely nothing other than the set itself included audio-wise. [[Special:Contributions/108.173.7.175|108.173.7.175]] 17:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
***** I'm just worried that the audio won't be very clean. Maybe that won't be an issue if we get permission from YouTube reviewers, but I could see it being one if it were just any old one with a smartphone. :P [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 18:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
** {{C|Who are you Mr. Anon? :P}}. All sounds great, like Berrybrick I don't know if we'd get it to happen, but I'd be happy to allow them in articles {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:42, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
**My only issue is if we link off to the YouTubers there's a strong possibility we could loose a portion of our readers to them. Unless we just watermark the videos with their name and don't link them? But that seems pretty bad out. :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
***I'm not quite sure I follow. We provide a very different service than YouTube reviewers. "I wish I had more information on the [[Power Miners]] theme. I know; I'll watch all of LEGOJANG's Power Miners reviews! It'll only take a few hours and I'm sure to get all of the story information!" :P [[Special:Contributions/108.181.132.192|108.181.132.192]] 15:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
****I mean on set pages, if they're just looking for images of the set they'll go "ooh I could watch a video instead". While we're supposed to be an encyclopedia we currently do not have enough editors to prove that. :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
*****I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would we not give readers what they want if it is in our power to do so? (I know that that isn't ethically sound, but I don't mean for us to take it ''that'' far. :P ) [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 17:22, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
*****Honestly, if we have any competition in that regard, that would be Brickset. Watching a video is a completely different experience from reading a Bricki page. Jang brings it a bit closer by adding some information at the front of his videos, with things like prices and the like... which he gets from Brickset. :P Long story short, a review is depth and opinion, while we're breadth and objectivity. Also per Berry. 19:22, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 
== Creating articles for 'subthemes' that appear in both Ideas and Dimensions ==
 
I had the idea to create articles for 'subthemes' such as ''Back to the Future'' and ''Doctor Who'', which both have their own Ideas sets and Dimensions packs. In particular, it's somewhat odd to refer to certain minifigures as being from the "Ideas" theme or the "Dimensions" theme. While of course, that is necessary, it would be nice to also have a separate article for all of the LEGO BTTF & DW sets/media. These proposed articles would pretty much look like the ''[[Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope]]'' article. From what I've seen, this is acceptable by the MOS, but I have yet to see any of their type. This is intended to be a general discussion, as I'd like to see opinions on this idea. [[User:Edward Nigma|<font color="lime">LCF</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Edward Nigma|<font color="#6600FF">talk!</font>]])</sup> 20:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be bothered. Even if we had articles for things which only appear in Dimensions, like Oz. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 21:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
:Per Berry, the pages would be really small and probably could fit on the main Dimensions page. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
::Berry doesn't appear to be dissenting... [[User:Edward Nigma|<font color="lime">LCF</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Edward Nigma|<font color="#6600FF">talk!</font>]])</sup> 23:14, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
:::If you're reading it quickly, it's easy to misinterpret it as meaning "couldn't be bothered", as I did the first time. :P I'm guessing that's how Soup read it. [[Special:Contributions/96.51.149.32|96.51.149.32]] 23:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
::::^Thanks anon, who I must assume is BFN. :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig1}}
:Like Soup, I think they can stick to the Dimensions page- they're not actual themes (so I don't see how it's "acceptable by the MoS" since it doesn't even mention these), and most of these pages would be about one set. ''Maybe'' if we did pages on licenses, I don't know :S {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 23:40, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
:While a lot of these (like Oz) ''might'' be small for their own subpages (I don't think so, I'm pretty sure we have smaller, but idk offhand), they're still the names of very popular properties and, as such, will be searched for by people who may not necessarily want to read "[[Dimensions]]" as a whole. At very least, if we don't make subpages, perhaps add them as sections to [[Dimensions]] that can be redirected to instead of just the main page? [[Special:Contributions/96.51.149.32|96.51.149.32]] 00:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
:: We don't do that already? Redriecting like that's definitely how it should be done {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
::That would be a lot of subsections. [[Harry Potter|That doesn't looks good]]. I'd suggest a list page before that, but again, I'm fine with them having their own articles. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 00:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Indeed, that doesn't always look the best, which is why I might lean a bit towards creating pages. But we at very least need something. [[Special:Contributions/96.51.149.32|96.51.149.32]] 00:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
:::I think we should have somewhere that talks about all the worlds/universes/whatever (I don't play Dimensions :P) but you're right, the main theme page probably isn't the place {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't be against making an article similar to [[List of The LEGO Movie Worlds and Locations]] for subject matters such as ''The Wizard of Oz'', ''Portal'', ''Adventure Time'', etc. which appear only in Dimensions. However, if I didn't already make it clear enough, I was specifically talking about franchises such as BTTF and DW, which do not have a respective parent theme - they belong to both LEGO Ideas '''and''' LEGO Dimensions, so placing all of the information for either franchise in either the Ideas or Dimensions articles wouldn't be correct. That's where my dilemma arose. The only possible solution would be to create separate articles or not create them at all - but like Nova pointed out, I suppose, the MOS doesn't actually say anything about that. Perhaps for situations such as these, there could be amendments to the MOS? [[User:Edward Nigma|<font color="lime">LCF</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Edward Nigma|<font color="#6600FF">talk!</font>]])</sup> 01:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::It looks like we're not getting any more BTTF/Who stuff (I think someone on Eurobricks confirmed no more Doctor Who or Simpsons) so we could probably leave them with the rest as subsections on Dimensions, but link to the ideas set. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
::::::[[21304 Doctor Who]] --[[User:Edward Nigma|<font color="lime">LCF</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Edward Nigma|<font color="#6600FF">talk!</font>]])</sup> 19:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's only one set that came out the same time as Dimensions, my argument still stands. :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
:We've sort of been doing this already with [[The Simpsons]] and [[Disney]] being separate from {{th|Minifigures}}. Can we go ahead? It's not like there won't be interest for them, so I don't see why not. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 01:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 
==Changes to appearances sections==
{{Archive|content=
This is just something that's been bugging me for a while, but never got around to proposing.
===Appearances sections for minifigure pages with lots of variants and appearances===
[[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 06:33, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
::It's not that I don't like the word "mentions" but that I'm not sure that listing where a character is mentioned in a section called "appearances" makes much sense. I can see that that was totally unclear though. :P [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 14:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 
==Discontinue ROTM and COTM==
* I'd like to shut these two down- we hardly get BOTM nominations as it is, and I don't think why positive contributions to the site can't be recognised on the main page nomatter the namespace a user might mainly contribute to- it's still all Brickipedia after all. Thoughts? {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 03:07, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:* Okay. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 03:11, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
::* I cannot recall any ROTMs or COTMs in two years, and with the merging of everything, I don't see why not. [[User:Latenightguy|Latenightguy]] ([[User talk:Latenightguy|talk]]) 03:21, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:* '''support''' - we have a small community too, so we have a pretty limited set of choices. [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 06:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:* '''Support''' I don't see why a BOTM can't help out all sections. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
 
==Technical links==
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======General Comments======
content=* Do we need links to GitHub and Phabricator on the main page? They're only used by technical peoples and a couple of regulars aren't they? {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 13:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
** They cn be helpful at times, and I think most of us use both of those services. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 14:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
*** I don't. :P I'm not most of us, though. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 19:20, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
**** Actually I do use GitHub when I'm directed there. Maybe if the link made it clear that that is for bug reports (which it might...I don't know :P) it would make sense to keep. I don't know what Phabricator is though. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 19:51, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
***** Phabricator, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/, is the new (for us, anyway) bug/issue/feature request tracking platform. It's free and open source software, initially developed at Facebook (more info on the [[wikipedia:Phabricator|relevant Wikipedia page]]). Brickimedia doesn't really use GitHub anymore (save for some non-MediaWiki things? I'm not sure to be honest), so please file all your bug reports, feature requests, etc. on Phabricator and '''don't forget to add the Brickimedia tag'''; Phabricator is used by ''lots'' of other projects, including but not limited to most of the Wikimedia Foundation's as well as third-party MediaWiki extensions and skins, so adding the tag helps everyone to find the relevant issue and avoids WMF people from incorrectly closing (etc.) our issues as invalid or somesuch.<br />You'll should be able to log in with your Wikimedia (i.e. Wikipedia/MediaWiki.org/etc.) account; see [[mw:Phabricator/FAQ]] and [[mw:Phabricator/Help]] for more info and don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions or concerns &mdash; I know this can be very confusing! --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 21:26, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
** Well yeah, many of ''us'' use them, but what I mean is the main page is for readers moreso than regular users, what kind of reader would find it useful to go and look at the code behind the website? {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
* That depends on the answer to the following question: Who is the main page intended for? And what is it's purpose? [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 11:19, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
**Okay, while I'll answer my PoV. The main page is for visitors. I say that because I only visit it once a year, but also because if I go to Wikipedia's mainpage, I don't expect to see things like phabricator. That being said, I didn't even notice them there when I was critiquing the Main Page [[Talk:Main Page|yesterday]]. Even so, they need to be white if we are keeping them. I don't think we even use GitHub anymore... [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 14:45, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
***All the icons are now black. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 19:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
****But white looked better :P [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
*****I went with black, because I couldn't find a version of the [[phab:|phab]] logo in white. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 20:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 
===Vote===
;Keep
# No reason not to. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 19:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
# I might be misunderstanding, but I think it makes sense to have a link to "report a bug". "Github" and "Phabricator" probably don't make that very clear though. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 01:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
#:I've got nothing against having a link on the sidebar or whatever saying "report a bug" like you said, but bug reporting is a very different thing to social media so grouping them together makes no sense. And grouping two icons most people would be unfamiliar with with other well-known social media icons makes it look like they're some form of social media as well. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 04:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
#::That makes sense. I thought this was just about leaving them on the main page. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 14:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
;Remove
# {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
# Mabye if we threw them at the bottom with some zany phrase like "Like coding? Join us at github!". Otherwise the main page is mainly for our readers, (which are supposed to be) kids. If they start following us the social meid's they could confused with GitHub. :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
;Comments
* At the very least they should be white to match the other icons {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:36, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
**All the icons are now black. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 19:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
*** And they don't go with the blue/white colourscheme that the rest of the page has. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 01:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
* Not really sure.. Also, would like to point this out: FontAwesome is installed on all the wikis here, so we can have consistent sizes and styling (plus easily make them white with CSS since it's an iconfont project) - This is what it'd look like:
<pre>
<div class="social-icons">
<i class="fa fa-facebook" aria-hidden="true"></i>
<i class="fa fa-google-plus" aria-hidden="true"></i>
<i class="fa fa-twitter" aria-hidden="true"></i>
<i class="fa fa-youtube" aria-hidden="true"></i>
<i class="fa fa-github" aria-hidden="true"></i>
</div>
</pre>
With this in CSS, we'd set <code>.social-icons .fa</code> to <code>color: #fff;</code>, Which would look like this using the <code>#css</code> parser function:
<pre>
.social-icons .fa {
color: #fff;
}
</pre>
There is no FontAwesome icon for the Phabricator logo, but we can manipulate [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Phacility_phabricator_logo_w.svg '''this SVG icon''']. Since it's an <code><nowiki><svg></nowiki></code> element, we can remove this declaration <code>fill="#333"</code> and replace the attribute value to <code>transparent</code>. The <code>fill</code> sets the background of an SVG, so this would make the background transparent. Hope that makes sense. :P [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 22:22, 15 July 2016 (UTC) '''Edit''': This would be an improvement from image files, since they can't be easily manipulated compare to an HTML element customizable with just a few simple lines of CSS.
}}
* Anything come of this discussion? [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== A question about ads ==
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content=I'd like to know whether Brickipedia makes money just from me viewing ads? I disabled my adblocker because I want to support the independent Brickipedia, I loathe Wikia and I obviously want en.brickimedia to succeed because competing against an out of date version of your ''own website'' really does suck.
 
That said, I never click an ad, only view them so is it worth me keeping my adblocker disabled? Thanks alot, [[User:Lachlan|Lachlan]] ([[User talk:Lachlan|talk]]) 18:51, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
* Hi, I wouldn't worry about it- I block ads too :P I mean, it'd be great if you did want to click them every so often, it does make a small amount of money, but they have be clicked pretty rarely otherwise the ad people ignore your clicks as they're obvious clicks to try and generate money and not view the ads. But don't feel pressured to not view the site ad-free :) {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
::As long as the ads here stay acceptable here (as in not in the content like Wikia started doing again) I'll probably keep it disabled. If I'm ever out and about using Brickipedia I might click one and help you out a tiny bit :P Thanks, [[User:Lachlan|Lachlan]] ([[User talk:Lachlan|talk]]) 10:32, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:::There are no ads for logged-in users. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 12:00, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes there is. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 12:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Only the bottom one. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
::::::Only in refreshed, but, at least not in vector. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 21:04, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Well I am in Refreshed and the only advert I see is the one at the bottom. [[User:Lachlan|Lachlan]] ([[User talk:Lachlan|talk]]) 21:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I doubt ads are setup properly on the other skins, as hardly anyone uses them. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 21:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:We get a small amount of money from viewing the ads (a few cents / day). Don't worry about it one way or the other - one person viewing or clicking on the ads isn't going to make the difference! [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] <small>([[User talk:Ajraddatz|talk]])</small> 23:44, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
}}
 
==Current state of ratings (@admins)==
{{archive|result=Resolved [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 22:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)|
content=* I noticed Berrybrick wondering why we have two "complete" ratings in the ChangeRating special page. This is because of when we redid ratings a while back- Class 2 was to be renamed Complete and Class 1 was to be removed, and it was to be decided for each C1 article as to whether it was to go to FA or Complete. Basically, the top "complete" is actually "class 2" and should never be used- use the bottom one which is actually "complete". As we don't have a C1/good anymore, you should never assign C1 to an article- it's only there simply so the current C1s display C1 instead of nothing/Standard (which is a rating below the current "complete"). Maybe one day we'll have a forum where we vote on each C1 as to whether it should go to FA, C2 or {{C|if it's actually bad and should never have been C1 in the first place}} Standard, but I'm working on other stuff right now and don't really see anyone else setting it up :S {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:* Thanks. If we can decide on where that would be done, I could set up a few entries...I'm sure that we wouldn't want to be voting on dozens of articles at once, but a few would be good to start. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 00:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:**I removed them. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 00:40, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:*** If they were meant to be removed, I would have removed them as soon as the change took page. The whole point was to keep them there so they'd still display on pages and we'd be able to keep track of the pages that need to be re-evaluated or moved from C2 to CA. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 01:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
* [[Brickipedia:Forum/Class 1 article re-evaluation]] is now up and running {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 01:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
}}
 
==User Rights==
Admins can give admin rights on Brickipedia and only Brickipedia. But, on every other wiki admin can't do that. Crats can. On Brickipedia admins and crats were merged but not in the other wikis. On meta admins can add chatmods but on Brickipedia they can't. I am proposing that we merge admin and crat on the other wikis and let Brickipedia admins add chatmods. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 17:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:This is up to each of those wikis individually. You could probably bypass some of that though by discussing it on a meta policy forum with subsections for each wiki; you'd want to make sure that the admins and whatever community of those sites knows about it though, and for that reason, I would suggest keeping it on their own sites. And obviously, don't bother with Customs. :P –Berry
::Other wikis being? –CJC
:::Ideas, GBC, Meta.[[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 17:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Ideas: Not a community we have involvement in (also not a community with users....) GBC: Independent project Meta: Will make no difference to anything really. –CJC
:::::As far as I know, Meta and Ideaas were still meant to be shutting down anyway, but noone's done anything about it. GBC is completely independent of us. (and this kind of policy stuff belongs on Brickipedia:Forum, Wikiforum's just for general discussion) -Nova
(from wikiforum){{clear}}
(pretty sure this is the right place for this)
 
Putting this down here because otherwise too deep of nesting. Also I comment how I wanna comment. :P @NovaHawk: Sorry, I don't have control on closing the sites, I'm pretty sure only NXT or George can close the sites. [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 17:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
===Opinions on this===
I would also like to repost that we add an autopatroller group separate from the patroller group. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 16:17, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:I think just as useful a discussion would be as to what patroller is for. I don't know if we really need everyone who makes a few good edits to be autopatrolled. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::Per CJC. I think that patrollers aren't something we need a lot of because we don't need a lot of edits to be patrolled. That does sort of ask the question of why have those rights at all if we've merged admin, bureaucrat, and chat mod all together, but patroller is probably a good right for people looking for adminship. I'd rather see it requested and reviewed than just handed out. As for autopatrol, I don't think that we are getting enough edits that patrolling is some overwhelming chore. It does make sense that this would be something handed out, but I do think that a lot of the users who have gotten it recently probably shouldn't have it. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 21:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Well Berry explained everything for me, not enough edits to be patrolled :P {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
 
== Minifigure poses in infobox ==
Personally I prefer if the minifigure poses in the infobox and we use the face on one in the gallery of variants. Thoughts? {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
:I don't think that this is something which really has to go into the MoS. When editing the page, do whatever you think looks best as long as you are following the MoS and not instigating edit wars. UCS, basically. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 21:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:I'd much prefer to see the actual minifigure and all its printing than it being twisted in some stupid position. But yeah, I don't think it needs to be in the MoS. If there's some sort of conflict it can be brought up on the article's talk page {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 22:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
::So do you pefer the Tink in http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/71040_The_Disney_Castle#Minifigures_included or the one on [[Tinker Bell]]? {{User:Soupperson1/Sig1}}
:::Well I'd prefer the one in the gallery so you could see the full body printing since the wand's out of the way. The one in the infobox isn't bad though, definitely not enough to make me want to change it, I'm talking some of the poses with arms out/legs bent and side-on like some of the images they have. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 
== Reevaluating "subtheme" ==
::* I'm fine with that- Juniors is technically System, but it's being marketed as a bridge between Duplo and System so I guess it's fine to have it in the system of construction section {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 10:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 
==Instructions links==
* {{C|I'm going to have to read those new really long subtheme entries above sometime aren't I? :P}}. Quick question- does anyone remember how we're meant to be doing instructions links- are we using the template which goes in External links, doing it through the infobox or both? I've completely forgotten and wasn't really involved in the instruction template stuff in the first place. Of course having links in either place is much better than nowhere, just wondering which way we're doing it :) {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 23:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:* I think the infobox link is the more recent one, but I don't remember either. I don't know if I even contributed to the forums back then. :P [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 04:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 
==The LEGO Batman Movie stuff==
* Are we treating this as a subtheme of DC or a separate thing? I was thinking it should be separate since it's a whole theme set in a non-standard DC universe. But all the characters we know of are DC- I guess it'd be a bit weird to have the [[Kabuki Twins]] not in the DC Comics minifigures category :S Maybe treat sets as a separate theme but use DC nav templates on minifigures? {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
:*I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad you said something, so yep. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 01:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
::*Sounds good :) What do you think about it being in the infobox/categorisation? Should we have a Category:The LEGO Batman Movie minifigures? Also should The LEGO Batman Movie go in the infobox for theme, and if so should we use <nowiki><br/> (indicating a separate theme like Dimensions or The LEGO Movie) or {{si}} (indicating a subtheme of DC)</nowiki>? {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 10:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
:::*I'm thinking that the themes should be kept separate because I think that The LEGO Movie has just as much a claim to this as a subtheme, so it's just easier to have it be its own thing. :P The Ninjago Movie too when that comes out for consistency's sake. That said, a category for TLBM minifigures probably isn't a bad idea, and if they are sharing the DC template, I think that can be a subcategory of DC figs. Maybe we should wait to see what we are dealing with though in regards to lineup. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 14:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
:*It has its own site on LEGO.com, so we treat it as a separate theme. I'm not sure should we put the minifigures into the super heroes template as we don't put the Batman ones in it. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
::* That's a very good point, I forgot about the Batman theme. I support a full separation then {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 00:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:::*Yay, I don't often make good points. Full separation! We could always add a section underneath non-physical called "Other DC characters from other themes"? {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
 
==Millions of spambot acccounts being made==
* Any way to prevent these accounts from being created or at least cut them back down to a more normal level? It's starting to clog up the RC {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 05:47, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
** Thanks for bringing this up again. I had been waiting for upstream to do something, but I might as well be hunting for unicorns instead. So I did some digging and it turns out that [[mw:Extension:SpamBlacklist|SpamBlacklist's]] current versions have a bug: when the extension is loaded via <code>wfLoadExtension</code> (or <code>wfLoadExtensions</code>), [https://github.com/Brickimedia/LocalSettings/blob/master/LocalSettings_ext.php#L31 as it is on Brickimedia], the function <code>SpamBlacklistHooks::registerExtension()</code> sets the <code>$wgBlacklistSettings</code> variable, '''overriding any and all local sysadmin customizations''', such as [https://github.com/Brickimedia/LocalSettings/blob/master/LocalSettings_ext.php#L306 line 306 of that same LocalSettings_ext.php file], which told MediaWiki to use the email blacklist stored on meta on all of our sites. Due to this bug, the email blacklist was being applied only to Meta ([[meta:Special:Log/newusers|as you can see]] from the relatively low amount of spambot registration compared to this wiki, for example) and not to any other site.<br />There isn't currently a proper fix for this, but as a temporary hacky workaround, I added the "use meta email blacklist" line from <code>LocalSettings_ext.php</code> to <code>/extensions/SpamBlacklist/SpamBlacklistHooks.php</code>; based on some quick tests, it's no longer possible to register an account with [[meta:MediaWiki:Email-blacklist|a blacklisted email provider]]. You should be able to test this out by [[Special:UserLogin/signup|trying to create]] a new accout that uses a blacklist provider on this wiki; it should no longer be possible.<br />'''tl,dr:''' Software bug, fixed hackily (but the fix nevertheless works). --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 02:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
*** Thanks very much for sorting this out, I've definitely seen a drop in spambots in the past few days :) {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 23:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
**** So over the last couple days (July 29th and July 30th) 25 new accounts were created; of these, one (!) looks like a legitimate user. The other 24 were either using [http://meta.brickimedia.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AEmail-blacklist&type=revision&diff=220803&oldid=215448 some new domains that I just blocked] or yahoo.com/mail.ru. Should we want to target these domains, I believe it'd curb the problem even further. On ShoutWiki we impose additional restrictions on signups from these (and a few other problematic) domains due to the widespread abuse. Google, for example, has seemingly upped their anti-spambot game as Gmail isn't a spambot favorite anymore the way it was some years ago. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 00:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
* We can also install [[mw:Extension:RecentChangesOption]] and add a RC filter on Special:RecentChanges to allow users whether or not they want to hide the account creation log, if anyone wants it. ;) Only thing that needs to be added is this to [[github:Brickimedia/LocalSettings/LocalSettings_ext.php]] (along with installation to [[github:Brickimedia/extensions]]:
<pre>
# RecentChangesOptions
require_once "$IP/extensions/RecentChangesOption/RecentChangesOption.php";
RecentChangesOption::create(/* $hideDefault */ false)->filterLogType("newusers");
</pre>
 
Thoughts and comments? [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 02:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
* I can't see it being a huge problem at the moment- if you see the RC at the moment you can still see the last 3 days if you show the 250 most recent changes. If there was more editing going on or if the rate at the spambots were being made wasn't fixed then sure. I'm not opposed to it though- I'm perfectly fine with giving people the option to not see the user creation log if they don't want to, as long as it doesn't have any adverse effect on the server. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 03:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
** That extension needs some love. I'm not sure if the old PHP-based i18n file (which is what this extension uses) even works anymore (without that backwards compatibility shim).<br />As far as [[mw:Manual:Coding conventions/PHP|coding style]] goes, I'm not sure if the author is familiar with MediaWiki's coding style, frankly. Fixing that isn't such a big deal since it's a relatively small extension, but it's still icky. There's also a reference to <code>LogPage::logName</code> in the main PHP file, on line 106, but that function was removed in MW 1.27. Performance-wise, it's probably not that much worse than what Special:Log already is, though do keep in mind that I'm not a performance expert. The fact that you have to add additional PHP code to LocalSettings.php in addition to the require_once line (since this extension doesn't have an <code>extension.json</code> file, although adding one and ditching the current PHP-based setup file should be trivial enough) isn't very clean nor future-proof.<br />'''tl,dr:''' Not totally hopeless, but needs love. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 21:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
* I guess I don't see it as enough of an issue to an extension that, as Jack says, would need some TLC before we use it. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 22:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 
*[http://meta.brickimedia.org/wiki/File:O.k.l.a.h.o.m.a._.C.i..t.y_(((1.8.8.8.5.1.3.5.9.7.8_))))Q.u.i.c.k.b.o.o.k.s_Pos_T.e.c.h.n.i.c.a.l_S.u.p.p.o.r.t_N.u.m.b.e.r.pdf I think we've got spambots uploading files now.] [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 17:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== Template:Theme gallery ==
::That's why I asked could we do one without the video game characters. :P What's wrong with the spacing and could we fix it? {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
:: That template is designed to grab the first 100 results only. I could bump that limit up to 500 if needed. However, a gallery of minifigures is now against the theme MoS anyway and shouldn't be there in the first place. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 23:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 
==Forums==
Why are there 3 different forums?
#The Forum namespace
#This page
#WikiForum{{clear}}
[[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 14:05, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about wiki forum but we use this rather than the other forums for discussions about the community because it's easier to edit. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
:Forum namespace is a relic of discussions before we moved them all here so that it's harder to miss discussions. Wikiforums are for discussion that aren't related to running the site, like what your favorite color is or why you capitalize your username. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 14:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
::Personally I've found the situation always somewhat messy (though for whatever reason I've managed to ignore the existence of the Forum: namespace until now). It'd definitely make sense to have everything in one place, but what the one place is...I'm not so sure about that. I'm slightly biased towards WikiForum — given that I'm one of its main authors — but at the same time I recognize that it has certain shortcomings, such as the lack of developers. [[User:UltrasonicNXT|UltrasonicNXT]]'s last WikiForum commits were in this January and mine were over a year ago (and even those weren't any huge bug fixes or anything like that, but rather just simple maintenance and future-compatibility tweaks; [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EWFO/history/master/ ref]). Right now there are [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-extensions-wikiforum/ 7 open tickets on Phabricator] tagged with the WikiForum tag, but from two of those ([[phab:T135568]] & [[phab:T141416]]) you can already see that without active maintenance and maintainer(s) things are going to break. Also, bear in mind that these tickets are only the ones reported on Phabricator — it's more than likely that there are other issues that are yet to be uncovered.
 
::The Forum: namespace is most commonly associated with the [[mw:Extension:DPLforum|DPLforum]] extension, which is an unelegant yet popular extension for implementing ''very'' bare-bones "forums". The advantages are that it provides clearer topic separation than what this page does (this page is basically always huge, even if individual "threads" aren't that big), and because threads are simple wiki pages, they can easily be [[Special:Search|searched]]. Just like with WikiForum, DPLforum is also an unmaintained extension — the last functional change was made this January ([https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EDPF/history/master/ ref]).
 
::And then there's this page. I'd really really ''really'' like to see us deprecate this page. I'm no fan of DPLforum, but even that is a better solution than a gigantic page that mixes together all sorts of discussions, technical and non-technical. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 15:54, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Agreed with Jack. Also I deleted every age in the forum namespace, and the corresponding templates, so feel free to remove that nampspace now. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 17:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Um, why? I won't shout "we need those archives!" but I don't see why they had to go. Unless we really needed the server space (do we?) I would cast my hypothetical lot against doing that. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 22:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::^ This constant deleting of things that shouldn't or don't need to be deleted is getting really old. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 23:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:The reason we have this space is because people ignore stuff less here. With the Forum namespace, nearly all posts went unseen and everyone ignored them. As for WikiForum, most of our discussion seems to happen in blogs or chat instead, which is why its so unused. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 16:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 
==Install the donate extension here.==
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content=With the closure of Meta at stake, I have been moving stuff to here. One item of which is the sidebar. On that is a link to donate. That extension is not installed here, and we want to be able to donate right, [[file:NE3-1.gif]]. So I would like to prepose that we install the donate extension here. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 15:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 
===Support===
# [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 15:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
# I guess, I don't see much harm in it. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
 
===Oppose===
 
===Comments===
*<s>Obviously this should happen if Meta closes, but is Meta closing? I thought those plans changed. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 15:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)</s>
:*Okay, I guess it is. :P This seems like less a thing to vote on and more the sort of thing to remind someone to do, however, but if we must, consider this a support. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 16:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
* Installed in [[github:Brickimedia/LocalSettings/commit/7e668855ef7dcd4117d1779c4e0ac88bccbdfda6|github commit 7e66885]], thanks for the reminder peeps. :P [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 22:31, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
**Its not working. Special page is invalid. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 23:07, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
***It's just cache, you should see it at one point soon. :P [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 01:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
****It doesn't show in special:version either and that is supposed to happen as soon as you install the extension. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 11:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
*****Re:closing Meta, it's actually not exactly as simple as "let's just do it"; see [[phab:T141318]] for more (technical) details.<br />As for the Donate extension discussed here, there's nothing terribly interesting going on. In the linked GitHub commit, Samantha installed the extension, but this commit is not yet deployed on the server, so obviously the extension isn't live here either. Someone who's more git-savvy than I am should update the config files for good, methinks... --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 16:41, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
}}
 
== Set giveaway policy ==
:(Also after thinking about it I realize it was really stupid to set up the page and then finalize this stuff. :P Sorry.) [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]])
::The only secret DTC left this year is the Death Star. They'll probably change their policy next year, like they did this year. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
*Looks good. [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 19:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== Add a facts section to the main page? ==
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|content=I was on coasterpedia a bit today and one thing that I saw there that could be done here is the rankings section on the main page: http://coasterpedia.net/wiki/Coasterpedia_The_Roller_Coaster_Wiki I figure we could do a few facts like: minifigure with most variants, longest running theme, most popular theme, longest article ect. {{User:Soupperson1/Sig}}
:Awesome idea! --[[User:CPplayer90210|<span style="color:yellow;background:red;border:5px ridge yellow">CPplayer90210</span>]] [[file:6000102.jpg|x28px|link=User talk:CPplayer90210]] 20:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::It's a good idea, the main page certainly needs updating. What might be a good place to start is adding some Brickipedia statistics, such as number of sets in database, number of parts, characters etc. [[User:Lachlan|Lachlan]] ([[User talk:Lachlan|talk]]) 20:27, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:I saw something like this on the [http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page#Did_you_know... Combine OverWiki]. I like the idea, and it would certainly be a nice addition to the homepage. [[User:Edward Nigma|<font color="lime">LCF</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Edward Nigma|<font color="#6600FF">talk!</font>]])</sup> 21:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::Sure, have mocked up [[Main Page/new|here]]. Also changed some things around. Any help would be appreciated. [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 17:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
:::{{done|[[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 18:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)}}
}}
 
==Charity donation link in sitenotice?==
{{archive|result=passed|
content=Got a message on my talk page about a GoFundMe page for Wes Jenkins (Creative Director, Writer and Designer for [[LEGO Island]]) - full info [http://rockraidersunited.com/topic/7361-please-help-wes-jenkins/ here]. Just wondering if we wanted to put a link in the sitenotice or not? This does close August 19 so looking for some quick responses please. {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 09:29, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 
===Support===
#Can't be bothered if I'm acting consistently with anything I might ever say or do--this is childhood. :P [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 15:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
# Okay [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 22:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
# Sounds good! [[User:SamanthaNguyen|SamanthaNguyen]] ([[User talk:SamanthaNguyen|talk]]) 02:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 
===Oppose===
 
 
===Comments===
* (personally neutral) {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 09:29, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
** '''Neutral''' [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 11:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
* Since this has unanimous support and the closing date's so close I'm going to close this off now. Would someone mind adding this to the sitenotice please (I don't really know how to word things like that :S) {{User:NovaHawk/sig}} 06:50, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
}}
 
==Automate redirect creation again==
**Actually, it seems Pywikibot now supports Python 3, so I might be able to look at it too. I gave up before with it as it only used Python 2 and I couldn't be bothered to deal with the syntax differences :P [[User:CJC95|CJC95]] ([[User talk:CJC95|talk]]) 11:20, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 
== (Re)purposing the "Custom 1-4" social profile page fields ==
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content=The social profile pages have four custom fields (by default labeled "Custom 1", "Custom 2", etc.) which you can edit at [[Special:UpdateProfile/custom]]. On ArmchairGM, the social sports wiki where the [[mw:social tools|social tools]] were invented about a decade ago, these fields were labeled "Favorite Sports Moment", "Least Favorite Sports Moment", "Favorite Athlete" and "Least Favorite Athlete". In other words, site-specific personal opinions that wouldn't make sense outside that site.<br />Hence why for the public release of the [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile MediaWiki extension]] in early 2008, they were relabeled "Custom 1" and so on. The "Custom '''N'''" naming scheme is unintuitive and confusing because social profiles are supposed to be ''structured''. For example the [[Special:UpdateProfile|personal information]] section is pretty simple and self-explanatory. But how is a new user supposed to know what to enter in the "custom" fields?
 
Despite this we have 32 users who have filled in these custom fields with something. In order to make things more sane, structured and consistent, I propose the following: '''we relabel the custom 1-4 profile fields to something more appropriate given the context of this wiki (LEGO)''' by having an admin (or a sysadmin) edit the appropriate MediaWiki pages, such as "Favorite minifigure", "Favorite set", "Favorite LEGO video game", etc.<br />These are mere initial suggestions and I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts; I do think that we should avoid favorite vs. least favorite comparisons and the like. Things like that made sense for ArmchairGM, the sports wiki, given the competitiveness of sports in general, but it doesn't encourage a healthy and positive atmosphere here, so let's just stick to positive modifiers, shall we? --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|talk]]) 13:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
: Sure [[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 13:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
:: Okay. I haven't got any better ideas than what you've suggested though. :P [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 14:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::: How about:
:::# Favorite Set
:::# Favorite Minifigure
:::# Favorite Theme
:::# Favorite LEGO® Video Game
{{clear}}
:::[[user:LegoFan4000|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">LegoFan4000</span>]] [[user talk:LegoFan4000|<sup><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">talk</span></sup>]] 15:41, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Aren't those what she suggested? :P I guess all I can say is that pluralizing them (ie Favorite Set'''s''', Minifigure'''s''') might be a good idea, but it's not like people are beholden to follow the header right down to the quantity it may imply so that's not a big issue. [[User:Berrybrick|Berrybrick]] ([[User talk:Berrybrick|talk]]) 16:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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