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So...[edit source]

  1. How do we know this is Dick Grayson?
  2. How is one of them Teen Titans Go? OK, so I haven't seen the latest season, but the only villains I've seen are HIVE and Brother Blood...
NovaHawk 08:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
The one from the batboat set looks more tim drake to me, I think the joker land is based off Dick's teen titans go appearance as star fire' sand beast boy's are too. Soupperson1 Friends are Forever! <3Friends girls.jpg
  1. Novahawk

1. Yeah, it's Dick. The first outfit matches his New 52 outfit to a "T". 2. And yes, the other is his TTG outfit, torso design matches it. Plus it fits with BB and SF, who are also based on it. Berry can clear this up when he gets a chance.BrickheroSPACESHIP (talk) 13:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Eh[edit source]

LEGO says the new 52 one is Damian and the other is TimSoupperson1 Friends are Forever! <3Friends girls.jpg

Uh, oopsy. I missed the section above back in February. Both of them are costumes used by Dick (Jokerland, Teen Titans/Teen Titans Go!; Batboat, New 52). Tim and Jason have worn costumes similar to the TT one, but never anything that looks exactly like it, to my knowledge, and I'm pretty certain Damian never has at all. I don't see any part of the site calling one of them Tim Drake, only that the Jokerland one uses Damian's bio from last year, but since the MoS says "For minifigures from a licensed theme, minifigures should be given the name that they are given on any official LEGO website, box or other official LEGO material, unless the name clearly contradicts the name of the character it is meant to represent," I'd leave it as is. Berrybrick (talk) 12:19, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Teen Titans Go! (revisited)[edit source]

I've removed all references to this being based on Teen Titans Go! for a few reasons:

  1. The biggest one- no source
  2. This is the typical classic Robin costume, that was around long before Teen Titans Go!
  3. The set (76035 Jokerland) doesn't remotely match anything from Teen Titans Go!- in the series, the team doesn't deal with anyone nearly as big as The Joker/Poison Ivy/The Penguin/Harley Quinn. The biggest people I've seen are Brother Blood and Doctor Light (unless you count HIVE).
  4. If you assume Robin is from TTG, then you assume Starfire and Beast Boy are too. If the three Titans in the set are based on any recent series, I'm pretty sure it would be Teen Titans, not Teen Titans Go!:
    • Beast Boy in TTG is too short for normal-sized legs. That can be disputed of course, it's just my opinion, but you can't dispute the colour choice- if it was based on his TTG skin tone, it'd be Bright Yellowish Green. Also if he was TTG, the body printing would be a more pinky-purple than purple. The slicked-back hair also makes no sense for TTG, but works perfectly for TT.
    • Starfire in TTG doesn't really get the glowing green eyes in TTG that you see in the TT pic above- she gets them when she's mad, but they're more flame-shaped than just covering her eyes. Same for the energy you see in the TT picture- the accessory matches this, but it doesn't happen in TTG, again it's more like flames than a perfect circle.
    • Robin in TT has three yellow rectanges below the cape, just like the minifigure does, Robin in TTG has one.

So, basically, if we had to say what the minifig was based on, I'd say it was Teen Titans not Teen Titans Go!, but either way, point number one still stands, we don't have a source either way. Please feel free to argue here if there are any objections to the removal, but please don't add back in unless it's resolved here. NovaHawk 11:55, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

  1. You probably won't find sources for the source material of plenty of licensed figures. But if the boot fits, say it. (Though if we want to get into semantics, it probably would be wiser to say "resembles" than "based on"). There are rumored Dimensions packs on the way out, so maybe those will shed light in the future, but those obviously shouldn't be cited now.
  2. That isn't the traditional Robin costume. It's similar to the traditional Robin costume, having green pants instead of trunks, but a lot of other Robin costumes are variants of the Golden/Silver Age look. I think Robin wore the classic pixie boots look in the comics up until the nineties when Tim Drake was introduced, and I don't know that he actually got pants (at least not without underwear on the outside) in the comics until Damian Wayne was introduced. There are a few versions of Robin which did wear pants in other canons, but those are easier to trace and of the two which I can think of with this combination (TT/G and The Batman), the details of the TT/G version are closer.
  3. - 4. You don't have to make that assumption. That would be fallacious. The set isn't TT/G based, but at least two of the minifigures are. Sets like the Joker Steamroller have a black Batman (either from the 89 movie or 90s comics; I can't remember), but New 52 versions of Batgirl and Robin. Same thing with the Man-Bat copter, and then Darkseid Invasion includes a classic Superman, a Javelin based on a 10 year old cartoon, some made-up Hovercraft, and New 52 versions of the other four characters (two of which never fought Darkseid, if it matters). Jokerland already has at least three sources for character designs and anyone who argues "Batman is the New 52 version so Poison Ivy must be too" would just be wrong. This set wouldn't be alone in mixing comic and cartoon either, with the Beware the Batmanmobile vs Riddler and Flash, who never appeared on the show.
  • I'd probably agree with Beast Boy, but hair choice is often questionable, and I don't know if the dark green is really any better for TT than TTG. TLG will make questionable decisions like that sometimes; though most of the examples I can think of are more set-based, there is again Beware the Batmanman or Captain America and Aquaman's hair colors. Anyway, because of the continuity of his belt and not wearing gloves, I would say that he closest resembles a comic version.
  • Starfire is pretty clearly TT/G based. Knowing her costume history helps with this one. Until really recently (after the release of Jokerland) the TT/G version is the only one which wears a skirt, and then the new designs with one have other notable differences from the minifigure. I think the pinkish hair would direct to TTG, but your point about her energy thingies may be stronger and I would concede. Perhaps saying that she resembles her TT version except for this one explainable detail would make sense; Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman minifigures are already in a similar camp.
  • I count two rectangles on TTG Robin, but I guess I will have to agree on this one. :P
Anyway, if you are arguing that they are TT and not TTG, sure except for maybe Beast Boy, but I think I am going to disagree with the basis of not labeling Robin and Starfire (who really aren't debatable) as such. Berrybrick (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough about the characters coming from multiple sources in the same set- I never thought of Batman costumes and just figured he was like Iron Man and had a lot of suits :P And, I just realised I could shoot down my own argument about Beast Boy's hair- I forgot about the ears being moulded on, he'd require a whole new piece if it was going to be accurate to TTG. Anyway, not 100% sure about your conclusion here- are you saying that Robin should still be labelled as TTG? Because I don't see any arguments as to why he's TTG and not TT (whether TTG Robin has one rectange or two [that top one I thought was a clasp for the cape, but it could be a rectangle] means there's an inconsistency with TTG, but I don't see any inconsistencies with TT). And, I'm not seeing why this Robin couldn't be based on material other than TTG/TT like Batman: The Animated Series or The Batman- they all seem to be wearing the same costume. Not trying to be difficult here, but I've noticed a few people pointing to either here or Brickia saying this guy's TTG based because we said so- if this turns out to be wrong, we're going to look like idiots :P Also, I'd change "classic costume" to something else because of what you said, but I don't know what :D NovaHawk 09:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about my clarity. :P I didn't come to a conclusion with Robin or Starfire, which was why I was using the TT/G abbreviation throughout. It is probably closer to TT because of the rectangles, but people would attribute it to TTG because of the set's timing. Really though 1) the Javelin in the Darkseid set is based on a cartoon just as old, and some figures from the Batman theme were based on a show which had been off air for 10 years at the time (something which I think I actually have a source for) and 2) The TT and TTG costumes are really the same, I think, just rendered in different animation styles. That second point might make me lean towards saying TTG, mostly because of Starfire's hair, but also the Dimensions packs will probably support that. Anyway:
  • BTAS: The giveaway here is the swimsuit underwear thing. Robin in this set is wearing pants without that. The belt, while similar, is a dead ringer for the TT/G version.
  • The Batman: The belt is different while, again, it matches TT/G pretty well (and the hair choice also makes more sense for TT/G, but again, that isn't always the best argument). In other images I was looking at, the logo was inverted (black letter, yellow background) but maybe that was inconsistent throughout the show. Also, it is The Batman. The only character whose design there isn't ignored is Firefly's. :P I get that that might not be a great argument though. It is similar, but small details point towards TT/G.
If you would like to wait for the Dimensions stuff, there is the third option of labeling it a "Jokerland" variation. I'd personally prefer we pick Teen Titans or Go! though. Berrybrick (talk) 17:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Starfire's hair is pink in Go! and Go! only, which the figure has. Soupperson1 Friends are Forever! <3Friends girls.jpg
I'm just going to go ahead and link this image from the LEGO DC Comics Super Heroes Character Encyclopedia so that it can at least be clear that the Robin in question is definitely from Teen Titans or Teen Titans Go. LCF (talk!) 16:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

LEGO Batman movie[edit source]

Where is it said that the variant from The LEGO Batman Movie is Dick Grayson? LCF (talk!) 16:24, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Fair enough. LCF (talk!) 16:35, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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